he's not going to force a government shutdown because he wants to defend a law that is itself defensible. a law that the president said is not ready to be implemented. and a law that the senate author of obama care has described himself as a train wreck waiting to happen. >> that's max baucus. it's causing businesses not to hire full time workers. we're discussing with the audience the issue of division in the country. we see a lot of this in washington. you've been there a while, how divided is it in d.c.? >> you know, d.c.'s pretty divided, there's a lot of talk about how divided d.c. is on the news. what people sometimes overlook is that there are a lot of areas where we actually agree. sometimes there are areas we agree too often. the bigger division i see, is the division that's taking place twin the political governing class in washington of either political party on the one hand and the american people on the other. when we put forward big new programs like obama care, that's bad, and we have to not fund it. >>> coming up, we're going to have a lot more with the studio audience. t